{"id":5384,"date":"2007-08-24T16:43:22","date_gmt":"2007-08-24T21:43:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.froginawell.net\/japan\/2007\/08\/useful-inconvenient-history\/"},"modified":"2014-08-30T14:02:34","modified_gmt":"2014-08-30T14:02:34","slug":"useful-inconvenient-history","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/froginawell.net\/frog\/2007\/08\/useful-inconvenient-history\/","title":{"rendered":"Useful, Inconvenient History"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/hnn.us\/roundup\/entries\/42157.html\">President Bush cited John Dower<\/a> regarding the potential for post-war democratization. Bush was using Dower&#8217;s <i>Embracing Defeat<\/i> to ridicule those who believe the occupation of Iraq is failing to achieve a stable or democratic result by citing those who incorrectly believed that creating a liberal democratic state in Japan after WWII was impossible. This is a fairly transparent invocation of the &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/oracknows.blogspot.com\/2005\/03\/galileo-gambit.html\">Galileo Gambit<\/a>,&#8221; pointing out that people have, unsurprisingly, sometimes been wrong about things they felt strongly about and that the people who were right have sometimes been in the minority.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s interesting to see the example of Japan coming up again, as it was very commonly cited in the run-up to the Iraq war. John Dower himself, as the article points out, wrote several articles demolishing the idea that Japan was a good analogy to Iraq in this regard.<sup id=\"rf1-5384\"><a href=\"#fn1-5384\" title=\" &lt;a href=&quot;http:\/\/middleeastinfo.org\/article1629.html&quot;&gt;November 2002&lt;\/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http:\/\/www.bostonreview.net\/BR28.1\/dower.html&quot;&gt;March 2003&lt;\/a&gt; \" rel=\"footnote\">1<\/a><\/sup> Dower has also argued that <a href=\"http:\/\/hnn.us\/articles\/1534.html\">Iraq is like Manchuria<\/a> (with the US in the role of Japan) and more likely to be a quagmire than a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.froginawell.net\/japan\/2006\/02\/colonialogy\/\">shining example of modernity<\/a>.<sup id=\"rf2-5384\"><a href=\"#fn2-5384\" title=\" I&#8217;ve also &lt;a href=&quot;http:\/\/hnn.us\/articles\/5247.html&quot;&gt;made the Manchuria analogy&lt;\/a&gt;, and it still stands up pretty well, I&#8217;m afraid. \" rel=\"footnote\">2<\/a><\/sup> The Bush Administration immediately disavowed any endorsement of Dower&#8217;s views outside of the citation made by the President, and this kind of historical cherry picking and <a href=\"http:\/\/hnn.us\/blogs\/comments\/42134.html\">selective ignorance<\/a> is <a href=\"http:\/\/hnn.us\/blogs\/entries\/42139.html\">all too typical<\/a> of politicians in general. <\/p>\n<p>It bolsters <a href=\"http:\/\/www.froginawell.net\/japan\/2007\/08\/asia-as-a-marginal-category\/\">my complaint from yesterday<\/a>, though: a better understanding of Asian history generally, and of US involvement in it, would be all to the good, but so often Asia is just a foil, out of context and interesting only insofar as it affects us. <\/p>\n<hr class=\"footnotes\"><ol class=\"footnotes\" style=\"list-style-type:decimal\"><li id=\"fn1-5384\"><p > <a href=\"http:\/\/middleeastinfo.org\/article1629.html\">November 2002<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bostonreview.net\/BR28.1\/dower.html\">March 2003<\/a> &nbsp;<a href=\"#rf1-5384\" class=\"backlink\" title=\"Return to footnote 1.\">&#8617;<\/a><\/p><\/li><li id=\"fn2-5384\"><p > I&#8217;ve also <a href=\"http:\/\/hnn.us\/articles\/5247.html\">made the Manchuria analogy<\/a>, and it still stands up pretty well, I&#8217;m afraid. &nbsp;<a href=\"#rf2-5384\" class=\"backlink\" title=\"Return to footnote 2.\">&#8617;<\/a><\/p><\/li><\/ol>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>President Bush cited John Dower regarding the potential for post-war democratization. Bush was using Dower&#8217;s Embracing Defeat to ridicule those who believe the occupation of Iraq is failing to achieve a stable or democratic result by citing those who incorrectly believed that creating a liberal democratic state in Japan after WWII was impossible. 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